The necessity of street sweeping

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The necessity of street sweeping

Postby Scott L » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:51 am

A suggestion was made that the Mount Holly street sweeper's benefit to the town does not offset the cost:

Costs:
1) Cost of the vehicle
2) Cost of maintenance of the vehicle (Let's find some data to put in here)
3) Cost to staff operation of the vehicle (Let's find some data to put in here)

Benefits:
A) Keeps tire-harming debris out of the gutter
B) Keeps street drains clear
C) Aesthetically improve the streets

Questions:
I) What similarly-sized town does not have a street-sweeper that we can compare?
II) What areas of town or areas just outside of town do not get a street-sweeping program and are those areas worse off?
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Re: The necessity of street sweeping

Postby Bob Duckworth » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:56 am

If the stuff is in the gutter, it's not going to harm any tires unless the sweeper pushes it back out in the road (which it can and will do). Look at the set up of the machine. The vacuum is on the front and the brushes the back. So the vacuum has already passed everything the brushes push out. And the brushes are as apt to sweep stuff INTO the storm drains as they are away from them.
  

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Re: The necessity of street sweeping

Postby Scott L » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:01 am

This is some of what is picked up by the street sweeper on N. Main.
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Re: The necessity of street sweeping

Postby Bob Duckworth » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:12 am

If it's in the gutter, it's not going to harm tires unless the sweeper brushes push it back out into the road which they can and will do. The brushes are actually behind the vacuum part that picks up so by the time the brushes hit the debris, there is nothing to pick it up. It's just swept back into the street.

And what about the debris in the middle of the road? The machine doesn't touch that since it's along the curb. You've got a machine that's approximately 8' wide making a sweep along both curbs of a 20' (or more) wide road so the stuff in the middle is still missed.

As to areas that aren't covered and whether they are worse off, I would say definitely "no". We only get the sweeper on our street about 6 times a year. That is pretty much useless. Our street is fine the other 359 days a year. How many times does it even run the main streets of MH? Certainly not weekly (I've actually only seen it once anywhere other than on our street)? Even if it sweeps them weekly, that means that 6 days a week, the debris is in the street/curb. It's like taking a bath weekly and saying your staying clean.

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Re: The necessity of street sweeping

Postby mrmtholly » Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:10 pm

Bob Duckworth wrote:And I had posted once but have no clue where that went.


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Re: The necessity of street sweeping

Postby Richard_Barnes » Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:11 pm

Looks like a few truck parts in that pile!
  

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Re: The necessity of street sweeping

Postby Scott L » Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:07 am

This is what a pile of stuff coming out of the street sweeper looks like during leaf season - which is reportedly emptied up to 4 times daily. The main benefit is keeping leaves and litter out of the storm drains and therefore the waterways. The secondary benefit is improvement to the "curb appeal" of our town.

Not shown is the material collected by the large magnet on the front of the sweeper that picks up nails and other metallic stuff.

In low-traffic areas where residents meticulously maintain the curb adjacent to their property, a street sweeper likely doesn't do much good. For high-traffic areas, I can attest that even a daily trip to the curb won't be enough to keep the gutter clear of debris. And in places where property owners do not all participate in a curb-appeal program, the city does improve the look of our town with this sweeper.

My opinion stands: The street sweeper is a much appreciated town asset -- though obviously it provides more benefit in some use cases than others. It's just one tool to keep clean streets. I've also seen crews walk a street manually picking up trash or using shovels to clear drains - so it's not to say a street sweeper is all that's needed. (Still need to capture the approximate costs. I'm not sure I could appreciate the value in this service if it cost us taxpayers $1,000,000/year, for example -- and I doubt it costs anything near that amount.)
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Re: The necessity of street sweeping

Postby Scott L » Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:32 am

Mount Holly's street sweeper is relatively small as seen heading south by the MyMtHolly.COM cam on N. Main. By comparison, the town of Waynesville (population ~10,000) has a street sweeper that is much bigger in size and sprays water while sweeping. In 2012, Waynesville spent $130,000/year on street sweeping. In 2006, the street sweeping truck for Waynesville cost $141,699

Refs:
http://www.egovlink.com/public_document ... etreat.pdf

http://www.egovlink.com/public_document ... Report.pdf
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